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What if I don’t make 3 times the rent? Rent rule explained!

A common problem that renters face when looking for an apartment is meeting the income requirement. Most of the time, in cities with high cost of living such as Los Angeles, New York and Chicago, there is a “3 times the rent rule” that requires renters to earn at least 3 times of what the apartment cost per month, no wonder why a common question among renters is what if I don’t make 3 times the rent? 

While this requirement seems exaggerated, on the landlord side there is a logical reason to ask for this, such as making sure that the tenant can afford the place and avoid a future eviction. However, it is true that a frugal lifestyle can lower your expenses enough to be able to pay a bigger rent without earning a fortune.

If you are trying to understand the logic behind the 3 times the rent rule and how to get a rental without meeting the income requirement, we have put together this article that explains everything about it and how you can overcome this obstacle in order to find your next great apartment and start furnishing it right away.

The “3 times the rent rule” or income requirement explained

Why do apartments ask for 3 times the rent?

While there is not a law that states that renters should make at least 3 times the price of its rent, this requirement is a common practice among America, especially in cities with high living standards such as New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, Boston, to name a few. 

The reason behind the 3 times the rent rule expects renters to earn at least three times the cost of the apartment that they are trying to rent, and not 2, 4 or 6,  is based on section 8 of the Housing Act of 1937 (often referred to as Section 8), a government-subsidized housing program that provides assistance to families with low or moderate incomes to rent housing in the private market.

According to the Section 8 program, the tenants must pay at least 30% of their monthly income towards housing, which implies that those tenants should at least earn three times the rent of the apartment that they are trying to rent.  Landlords usually take this number and ask renters proof of income for 3 times the rent because they need to have proof that the renter can afford the place and won’t stop paying for the rent, which could lead into an eviction

If you are trying to move to an apartment with a roommate you will notice that even when you make three times your share of the rent, the landlord often expects both of you to make three times the total cost of the rent. This happens because the landlord wants to make sure that if things go wrong and one of you moves out the other one can still afford the place.

How to Get a Rental Without Meeting the Income Requirement

If you are just out of college or are living with a low income, this income requirement can be a hefty sum for you. However, there are other ways to show your landlord that you can afford the apartment and that is what we are going to cover next.

It is important to mention that this rule exists for a reason, and most of the time if you can’t meet the 3 times the rent rule is because you really won’t be able to afford the apartment in the long term. So before reading any of this advice sit down for a minute, organize your budget and your expenses, and ask yourself if looking for something smaller or in a cheaper area could be a better idea.

If you worked your budget and consider that you are able to afford the apartment, here are some things that you could do to show your landlord that you have the ability to pay for it on the term

  • Check for apartments that include utilities: if you don’t make 3 times the rent of an apartment but it comes with utilities paid by your landlord, you can talk with him and show him how not paying for these bills means that you need less income to get by.
  • Show your landlord your current apartment contract: if you are already renting a place that cost the same that the home you are trying to rent, this can be a proof that you are capable of paying this amount in time. Besides, providing the documents that showcase this, put your new landlord in contact with the new one so he can evacuate his doubts about you.
  • Look for a room in an already occupied apartment: if the lease for an apartment is already signed that means that the roommates that are living there have already proved to be earning 3 times the rent. Most of the time this rule is required to the primary leaseholder, which means that you only have to show proof of income for your share of the rent and no the total.
  • Show your bank statement: a large sum of savings in your bank account will show that you have a backup plan in case things go wrong and you are not able to pay your rent in time. Simply get a statement from your bank and add it to your rental application. If you have any concerns about showing your bank statements to your landlord we have made a guide that you might want to check out.
  • Offer a higher secure deposit: similar to showing your bank statement, having savings can easily earn you the apartment that you want. Simply offer the landlord to pay a deposit that is above what he is asking for to make your application more attractive and show that you are committed to the rental.
  • If you are debt-free take advantage of it: if you don’t earn three times the rent but you are debt-free you can talk your landlord into taking in consideration that you don’t have any debt bills to pay, which means that you have to use less money of your income to get by.
  • Look for smaller landlords: an individual renting their one and only property or a management company can often be more flexible than large companies, consider looking for properties with this kind of management and talk to them about your situation.
  • Get a guarantor: a lease guarantor or -often your parents when you are just out of college- serve as a proof that you have someone who will be your backup if something goes wrong. This is the most common way to rent an apartment without meeting the income requirement, however, we recommend you to try first all the tips above because your guarantor will be responsible for you if you can’t pay your rent, and we know that is a lot to ask. Pss.. be sure to check out first our full guide about renting with a guarantor!

Hunting for an apartment is not easy and we know it but if you make sure you have a good credit score and try your best to impress your landlord you will find out that overcoming the three times the rent rule can be easier than you thought.

Did we help you scoring your next apartment? then it is time to start furnishing it! go and check our budget guide about how to furnish an apartment under $1000

144 thoughts on “What if I don’t make 3 times the rent? Rent rule explained!”

  1. It just doesn’t make any sense is that what section 8 is for low income? If I have three time of rent why will be on section 8 ?. I would be able to pay my own rent.what about elderly there only one income with social security they do not have no three time rent.

    1. Exactly !! I don’t understand the logic behind needing 3 times the rent on Section8 . I think the landlord or property manager are basically saying we don’t want rent to any Section 8 people . Rather then say that they apply it to everyone , so it don’t look as if the landlord or property manager is being discriminatory toward individuals with a Section 8 voucher . It’s really messed up on not only to people with Section 8 , but to people without Section 8 !! 3 times the rent is a lot for ppl earning minimum wages . I pray during this pandemic some of the landlords & property managers will have a heart and take that into consideration . I will be in search of a place in 6 months . I plan of buying a home in a couple years as well as flipping home and I will never ask a tenant to have 3 times the rent . I would ask for 2 times not 3 !!

      1. Section 8 is income based housing. Thus, they are expected to pay 30% of their income, but they can not make over a certain amount to be granted a section 8 voucher. It’s just what the government believes to be the standard contribution.

        1. Section 8 is a rental assistance not income based housing. Subsidized housing is income based which is normally offered through a complex.

          1. I hear what your saying but that has nothing to do with having to show proof that we make 3x the amount of rent.

            Anyways From my extensive research it is supposed to be 3x the amount of YOUR rent. Meaning if you make $800 a month , your rent is $240. So then making 3x the amount of your rent which would be 3x $240 So then I’d qualify for that only making $800. They are legally not supposed to count the housing voucher amount since we aren’t paying that for rent , the county is. Does that make sense? Research for yourself then take all the info to the apartment. Throw the papers that state this info in their faces and basically say what you are doing is illegal and discriminatory. There is a zero tolerance policy against discrimination. Maybe they don’t know. But make them! Sorry if I seem upset, it’s just that I’ve gone through months of this BS! If we made three times the amount of rent why the hell would we need a housing voucher. Hope this helps , but ultimately the property will still probably deny you , and in that case, Report them and they will be fined a substantial amount. I know because I’ve done it!

            1. That is exactly what I was thinking. That they could only charge me three times the amount of rent that I pay above the voucher. I’m glad to hear that someone else has done the research and is on the same page as me. So if my housing voucher is for $1,000 and the rent is $1,200 I should only have to prove I have at least $600 a month income for the rent and show that I have enough money to also pay the utilities.

            2. Exactly right. It’s based off of how much you make after the 30% which makes total sense since that’s why were legally paying. Thanks for putting that into perspective. Makes way more sense

            3. I understand what you are saying, but the way you are looking at this is incorrect.

              Communities are not required to provide affordable housing if the city has maxed out for the subsidized units, lets say your voucher is for $1924 a month for a one bedroom but you are looking for a market rate community. A one bedroom in the community you want is $2440. That leaves you with $516 that is due for rent not even including utilities which can go up to $200 additional. For people on vouchers they would need to make 3x the difference (3×516). In order to income qualify. Most of the time market rate communities will recommend you contact your case worker as there is additional verification needed to even get a market rate community approved with the housing authority and 9/10 times housing authorities deny the request because you don’t make enough to live at the site.

            4. You are so right. The worse part, some of the houses are not worth a dollar amount. Fifth graders may have better solutions to run this country for the most part. Who can up with the idea of houses increasing in value yearly. Houses with no modernization in the same bracket as new construction houses. A 60years old home selling or renting as a modern home. Home buying investment used as collaterals, usually leading to debts until death. Homelessness exists more than you realize.

            5. Everyone complains about 3x rent, wait until you’re a landlord and you try to help people who are struggling and they freeload for 9months. And destroy the place and steal your appliances. You learn that you can’t be be the nice guy, you get always get screwed. There’s a lot of shitty tenants out there that know the system.

              1. Dennis that is a nice assumption you have. Yet you clearly didn’t do a background check on these tenants you rent to. There is a difference between a struggling drug addict who can’t keep a job vs someone who has worked for 1-3 years making minumum wage or a poor college student. Also there’s been landlords who are shady as hell and do things like sell rooms for sex or evict even if the tenants been paying. The fact people can’t rent through normal means increases this issue

              2. Honestly I think it is wrong to assumption that because someone lives on low income they are all of the sudden free loaders looking to take advantage of the situation and the landlord. At one point in time I was disabled and could not work in my early 20’s so I ended up living on fixed income from social security until I could get back on my feet again. I ended up in an apartment approved by Hud Housing and section 8 due to my situation.

                Not once did I ever steal anything from the appliances and not once did I miss a rent payment. You could ask any of my neighbors and they will confirm I was one of the nicest and peaceful neighbors ever who never caused trouble. In fact one of the neighbors would knock on my door from time to time to make sure I was still breathing because of how quiet and peaceful I was. I always kept to myself and my landlord even said he was sad to see me leave when I left. Please do not assume as a landlord that just because you had a few bad eggs that all the eggs in the carton are bad. Not all of us take advantage of certain situations.

              3. EXACTLY!!! And that’s what ticks me off about these places. I’m on SSDI, my daughter is on SSI, SSDA and child support, I’m paying my own rent, I recently extended my stay at my present residence because of this very reason,
                I paid $927 CASH, but yet because Soc Sec Adm doesn’t pay me 3xs the income, I’m not good enough to rent a unit. I don’t get food stamps either. I have 100% payment history, no felonies, no evictions, no bankruptcies, and no broken leases, but I’m STILL not good enough. I call all of this B. S.

              4. There are also A LOT of young families just trying to get by that can’t provide such outrageous numbers. I am older and have a very good job, my husband is retired and has a pension and we still don’t make the amount of money they are asking our daughter and young family to produce. Although I am willing to co-sign for the property in our area they then require 5x the rent…. Makes zero sense. What about those people that don’t want to take from an already taxed system and want to make it on their own? It’s almost like they are being forced to apply for assistance which should be criminal.

              5. You don’t need three times the rent on section 8, they charge you 30% of your income. So if you only make $1000 a month they will charge you $300 a month for rent. Section 8 housing doesn’t have fixed rent rates, it’s a percentage based off of your income.

                1. Thank you! Christian 🙂 I am still on the wait list, but the women whom is supposed to be manager for one place in San Luis Obispo knows this, yet she was demanding 3 times the rent. Not 30% of my income. I am disable too!

                2. The 3 times the rent rule is pathetic, no wonder America has a homeless problem, it’s an excuse to keep the middle class, and low income people in peril, say you eye an Apt for say..1000 a month, yet you can’t lease it because you don’t make 4000 a month..pathetic if you make 4000 or more a month you might as well get a house..I’m a vet living on a pension and I got turned down twice because of this 3 times the rent jive…yet America can give Ukrainians free room or board..pathetic.

                3. Exactly! I’m on Social security disability income and low income and there is no way that I would ever make three times the amount of rent. It is ridiculous and unfair to us all SSDI and low income persons. We are pushed to the side and not considered. Thank you Shawn Matthews for your very kind heart. God bless you and I wish you all the best in your home buying journey. We need more people like you. Take care and be safe.

                4. I am a disabled senior and must have an attached garage. I can’t even get an apt because I do not have 3 times rent. Been out of PT since pandemic started as I cannot get to my car which is parked a block away. Only handicapped parking. I have no bills and good credit well over 700.

                5. it is discrimination against disabled people at the very least and should be illegal. They want us all to move to the middle of nowhere and stare at the wall til we die.

                6. Both me and my fiancé make way more than minimum wage, but we are not married and we still don’t make 3x! I am a teacher and he works in a factory! We have two children and we both have to qualify for 3x the rent?! What about unmarried couples with children that only one partner works while the other is a stay at home parent? They gotta be homeless to stay together or he lives there and she lives in some other place! I say if one or both can afford together it should count, why should a couple need to make 6x the rent together to be able to rent somewhere?

                  1. You made me cry!! This is exactly what me and my fiancé are going through. We have thousands saved up, he’s been at his job for awhile making 16h. We’re very frugal and never take or have more than we need. We have 3 daughters but we have no children together. We’re literally just trying to get out his parents house because they’re the types who help the people who take advantage, but disown the people who actually care. I just want peace with my children.

                  2. right i don’t get it im on section 8 and they just told me if i rented an apartment for 2000 a month and i had 6000 in the bank then i would not be on section 8 any longer…so how does that work

                    1. Your ass shouldn’t be on section 8 . This sis the problem also people that think they should get shit handed to them . You have a savings which most Americans do not especially Simone that needs section 8 . Get your tubes tide and do not bring another leech into this world

                      1. You don’t need three times the rent for section 8 housing, they charge you around 30% of your income. So if you make $1000 a month they will only charge you about $300 for rent. Section 8 housing doesn’t have fixed rent rates, it’s a percentage based off of your income. It’s designed to offer cheap and affordable housing for those who need it the most (you have to be below the poverty line to qualify).

                      2. you are right i am on sectin 8 and what it is they are wrong we have to pay 30 percent of what ever money we get every month for instance say you make 1000 a month your part of rent is only 300 so you need 3 times of your amount which would be 900 a month they can’t include the remaining 700 against you because you are not responsible for that..this three times the rent shit has nothing to do with section 8

                      3. If not in section 8 Luke myself I believe it’s should be the 30% of the rent for the 3 times the rent that’s calculated. Like if the rent is 1500 or 2000 a month 30% *3 so either 450×3 or 600X3 u digg

                      4. Exactly! This government needs to do something ASAP about this stupid bullshit! People are already suffering and then they won’t raise the damn minimum wages in Georgia, you’re right hell, if I made 2, 3, or 4 times the damn rent I WOULDN’T NEED SECTION 8 DUMMIES! THIS is just asinine! Biden and Harris need to do something about this housing CRISIS NOW!

                      5. For low income housing, you cant make too much. They need to have more than 30% of their income devoted to renting. This could be 50%, or even 80% of their income. It’s almost the opposite of the 3 times rule because you have to earn less than 3 times the cost of rent. Hopefully that helps.

                      6. I don’t believe you are understanding how the 3X the rent rule works with Section 8. I used to have Hud housing which is similar to Section 8. They take your income and calculate how much 30% of that comes to. With 30% that leaves you with a 70% income margin which means that you do make 3X the rent. Say if an apartment for 1 bed 1 bath is $1,500 a month they are not saying that a person on Section 8 needs to make 3X that amount. They are stating that the person needs to make 3X 30% of their income which if we do the math no matter how much or how little a person makes with just 30% income you will always have that 70% margin so by Section 8 standards you will always make 3X the rent.

                        Renting without Section 8 and paying full price for a place is a different story since we don’t all make 3X the rent. My case is I no longer qualify for Section 8 or Hud Housing because I make too much money to be considered low income but I also do not make 3X the rent. I asked about credit checks and about bigger down payments but was denied and I have no family willing to co-sign for me so I am screwed stuck living with a roommate until god knows when.

                      7. Exactly! That is part of the problem with landlords. I can see both sides of the fence. But here is my opinion. As long as you are a landlord, you are going to be at risk for evictions. Also, just because a person makes 3x the rent when they move in, does not mean they will not fall on hard times and lose their job or some hardship that prevents the person from paying their rent. Catastrophe doesn’t discriminate and can force anyone into a bad spot! So there is absolutely no logic in that method. So if you don’t want to be at risk for forcing an eviction then don’t be a landlord.

                    2. I thinks that’s wrong asking 3 x’s the amount especially with this covid that’s wrong in so many ways wonder why everyone is homeless or living in there campers.

                      1. You are on point. I am having that problem of 3 times the rent in my apartment search. Also problems
                        with ignored repairs and mold infestation. But Landlord still wants that high amount rent money. In spite of me having Covid previously and may have it now. Paid rent timely and still pays. 71 years old retired from COJ saw that housings is a dirty racketeering business in most cases. People will ruin your life when advocating against betterment in housings. Yet I am Grateful for those on the front line advocating.

                      2. Yes.couples
                        Can mot get.sectiom 8 rents
                        Assitants
                        Both of them earn
                        To much income together
                        So.dose it mean.they gotta split up
                        To get approved
                        On hud rentals
                        ?.

                      3. You said it. If apartments are 1600 in Massachusetts who makes over 4800 a month. Not me and i make 19 an hour

                        1. Exactly! This government needs to do something ASAP about this stupid bullshit! People are already suffering and then they won’t raise the damn minimum wages in Georgia, you’re right hell, if I made 2, 3, or 4 times the damn rent I WOULDN’T NEED SECTION 8 DUMMIES! THIS is just asinine! Biden and Harris need to do something about this housing CRISIS NOW!

                        2. I agree, if your retured on ssi have paying your bills on time its almost impossible for someone on ssibto meet the 3 times income. No wonder we have so many people living on the streets. These landlords are greedy, you can make the 3 times but that does not mean you will pay your rent. Doesnt make since. If these landlords would rent with 1st last and security there wouldnt be so many homeless people in the USA.Helpvthe illegal immigrants but keep the Anerican people on the streets. We need more Godly People. My heart breaks for the honest people that are trying to have a home to live in but can’t cause the greedy landlords think the rent will be payed cause there income is 3 times the rent. Wrong. I wish I had money to buy homes ect to beable to rent to people looking for a safe home to live in. This is a terrible world were living in. God Bless the people that are trying to rent but doesn’t have 3 times the income. All you need is a heart, if these greedy landlords were in the situation that these poor people are in maybe then they would see what there doing to people. I think its sinful to be so greedy. I never had 3 times my income. My bills are always payed on time. When I rented the home was better than before I moved in.

                          1. Exactly! This government needs to do something ASAP about this stupid bullshit! People are already suffering and then they won’t raise the damn minimum wages in Georgia, you’re right hell, if I made 2, 3, or 4 times the damn rent I WOULDN’T NEED SECTION 8 DUMMIES! THIS is just asinine! Biden and Harris need to do something about this housing CRISIS NOW!

                          2. I mean I was definitely with you the whole way … but I don’t understand what you meant when you said the government helped the immigrants and kept us homeless…. Too be honest it has nothing to do with them. Most of them live together in families in one home like it will be3-4 families in one three bed room house. This I have seen. And they work probably harder than half the people I have had the displeasure in having work for me. I’m a manager and by my self alone . I still don’t make enough to pay three times the rent . I make 16 an hour. It is just ridiculous! But the thing is all of this is because of the government! It’s called control! Until the people stand as a collective nothing will change! We have rich folk running this country that doesn’t know struggle and hardship! Maybe a few here and there have contributed along the way… but ultimately they sleeping real good in their bed every single night!

                            1. Oh I meant to say the only thing I could afford with three times my income is some ran down shack I wouldn’t even let an animal stay in! Like seriously so outdated my last place had freaking termites . And I couldn’t have less than 3200 to live there. Like what the hell! A one bedroom apartment literally the floors had like dips in it! Shower leaked into downstairs apartment ! One of them actually caught fire next to me . Sad as hell !!

                              1. Exactly or it’s in a horrible part of town or bad schools or high crime areas. So then you either live in hell or live with family and neither one of those options are good

                              2. I agree and, it SHOULD BE illegal. Great people fall on hard times. It’s not fair to ANYONE to be subject to such an unreachable “rule”.
                                The way I see it is, if a tenant doesn’t pay the rent agreed upon, evict them(unless it’s due to a worldwide pandemic).
                                As long as you earn “THE RENT” PERIOD, that should be acceptable by private landlords as well as realty companies.
                                The cost of the rent isn’t multiplied 3X’s. So, why does earning 3x’s the rent even matter. Something devised by some butt hole to make living comfortable difficult to impossible. Should be illegal.

                              1. Or SSI….SSI in part are disabled individuals that dont have enough paid in to qualify for disability..Like myself have almost never worked…I receive $793 a month and it looks like im going to be on the streets after im done caring for my 89 year old mom.

                                  1. I am right there with you. I receive SSDI & SSI and combined I only make $791 per month and there is no way I could ever make 3 times the amount. I worry every month, wondering if I am going to be evicted from where I rent now. I worry that I will be homeless. Very scary.

                                  2. I worked 27 years & I get the same amount of SSI as you. And according to SS they say I need to work 3 more if I want a bigger payment. And I can barely walk. I’m learning to live with my small SSI benefit.

                                  3. I have the same problem. I need an apt in 2 months, because my landlord is selling the one I am in. I have lived here for 21 years, and am on ssi. I live with my son, who has been disabled since birth, and I am his caregiver. He gets disability, but gets much more then I do, because he gets it off of his fathers social security number. Then my brother broke his femur, and lives with us also. Between the 3 of us, we make enough to not only pay our rent the last 21 years, but to pay all of our bills. Even during the pandemic. I have a fico score of 650, but neither of them, has any credit at all. My landlord has given us an amazing refference, yet no one will rent to us. Do we not deserve a roof over our heads, just because we don’t make 3 times the rent? We are very quiet people, and get. Along great with neighbors, but I think we’re going to end up in the streets. I am so worried, and we don’t deserve to be treated like this. We don’t have a savings act, but that does not mean we can’t pay our bills. I just don’t know what to do anymore. We will be in the streets very soon, if something does not change.

                                  4. That’s why this stupid, inhumane rule SHOULD be illegal and, anyone reported using that rule, have their property seized and fined as well as 30 days jail time.
                                    What ever happened to the “FAIR HOUSING ACT”.
                                    All that should matter to ANY landlord is that, the tenant has the ability to pay the rent PERIOD.
                                    If the rent is $500.00 monthly, and the tenant is paid $550.00 a month but, STILL PAYS RENT ON TIME ANYWAY, that’s ALL that should matter to the landlord. Hell, if the tenant just chooses not to pay rent, evict them, easy fix. As far as I’m concerned, USA war Veterans, elderly and fixed income recipients should be exceptions to this stupid, unnecessary, heartless rule. EXEMPT PERIOD!!!!!!!!

                                    1. Evictions are not an easy fix. Landlords eat the cost of the tenant not paying rent or water bill. Once the eviction process starts it can take two months or more to legally receive possession of the landlords property ( the home). Just having gone through this I can attest that the combined cost of lost rent due to tenants non payment and time to go through court resulted in a loss of $5000.00. Don’t forget that the landlord still must pay taxes and utilities on said property. It’s not about greed. The rent charged goes to cover taxes and property maintenance. Anything left over is the landlords income.

                                    2. Yes.I got turned down
                                      Every were
                                      Id went
                                      To apply for standard
                                      Rents
                                      They mandated
                                      Id earn
                                      2x ?& 3x times gross.the rent momthy.or Id not get those apts
                                      Either
                                      Only if
                                      I had
                                      A room mate
                                      Or c/o signer
                                      Family or friends
                                      Or partner.to assit me.to pay there rents. No.!!!!.u arent.getting approved.on standard rents
                                      On ssdI
                                      Social securtiy payments only
                                      They will mot rent to u.becase.u do not earn
                                      Enough money
                                      Which
                                      To me.is un fair houseimg acts.

                                    1. Hi Cheryl,
                                      Since there is no law that regulates the minimum or maximun that a landlord can ask, there is not a limit for this. However, asking for 2 o 3 times the rent is the most common, while some times landlords can also ask for up to 4 times the rent.

                                  5. Landlord are especially careful right now during Covid since there are no evictions allowed. If a landlord owns 3 units and their total mortgage including principle, interest, taxes & insurance for all three units is $3000 and rents are $1200 per unit, the landlord can pay their mortgage and expenses and have a maximum of $600 left over every month for incidentals, other expenses and hopefully some profit.

                                    If even one of those units has a hardship and can’t pay their rent, the landlord will be short $600 every month with no way to evict (due to Covid restrictions). IF all three stop paying rent for two or three months, the landlord would likely go into foreclosure and lose everything they’ve worked to build.

                                    Regarding the 3x rule. If you are currently on disability or housing assistance, this is figured into your income. So for example, if you’re receiving $1200 in housing assistance and $800 for SSI, and $1000 in W2 income, you can afford a $1000 apartment ($1200 + $800 +$1000 = $3000 / 3 = $1000).

                                    I hope this helps

                                    1. Thank you. Very informative. As a landlord it is really tuff also during theses times for everyone. I release a tenant from her contract, because she couldn’t afford rent nor utilities due to the pandemic. There so many program for people with low income and as a small property owener, it’s hard to qualify for programs because you fall in the middle somewhere. I’m simpathy to peoples needs, but as a landlord you have to look out for you and your famliy best interest as well. I now have 2 household to maintain, while carefully considerating a new tenant.

                                    2. Thanks for the explanation, but im still confused.. My question is…Am I allowed to show the landlord my savings account that equals to 3 times the rent, but it only shows enough for 1 month, incase of an emergency? will that be enough for them to approve me for an apartment or does it need to be consistly earned money? I do plan to have a job and continue my side hustle.

                                    3. This doesn’t help us at all. We’re a family of 3, on disability. Housing does not have the money to help us at all. We tried. I get $794 a month, from ssi, my son gets $14,47 a month from disability and my brother gets $2000 a month. I am the only one with credit at all, but it’s only fair credit, and I pay $100% ontime every month, but use too much of it, and that’s why it’s only fair. Right now my fico score is 650, but it fluctuates, because sometimes I need to use the credit, for my sons health, and I am his caregiver. It never goes below 600. Between the 3 of us, we can afford a 3 bedroom apt for no more then $1800. Yet no one will rent to us because neither of them have any credit, and we have to put our money together to pay our rent, with no savings for any of us. We don’t make the 3 times amount of the rent, but if we only have to pay one time the amt of rent monthly, then why should we need 3 times the amt? We have lived in our beautiful, 3 bedroom, 2 and half bathroom townhouse, with eat in kitchen, for 21 years, and have always paid our rent, and every other bill, even during the pandemic, when most people didn’t. We will be paying a lot more, for a lot less then we have now. The apts I have seen in our price range, have such tiny bedrooms. Our bedrooms are huge, compared to what I have been looking at, but at this point, we just want a roof over our heads, and would take anything, even though we will have to throw some of our furniture out, since the apts are nothing compared to what we have had, the past 21 years. I pay $1450 right now, but will have to pay $1750- $1800 for a 3 bedroom, tiny apt, and there are so few of them. I am sick about it. I don’t think it’s fair, to expect people to make 3 times the rent. My landlord has given us a glowing refference. Do you think, we don’t deserve a roof over our heads, just because we don’t make 3 times the rent?

                                    4. that is not how housing assistance works 3000 doesn’t mean you can afford a 1000 apartment. with housing assistance it doesn’t matter how much money you get its always going to be 30% of your income is all you have to pay for rent and they pay the remaining ..as long as you can always pay 50.00 rent they will pay the remaining. example your apartment is 1000 a month and you make 1000 a month 30 percent of your wages will be 300 so your rent out of your pocket is 300 and you will need to make 3 times that which is 900 to rent it but if the rent is 2000 you still only are going to pay your 300

                                    5. your information and calculation is inaccurate learn what section 8 is before you try to explain please. A person is given a certain amount according to their household size. Your income determines how much you will pay towards the rent Factual example a household os given a 3 bedroom voucher in a specific county each county in each state has different values the amount is 2100 which means you have to find a 3bedroom equal to less than that amount. Lets say they found something for the exact amount…Now let’s use the families income lets say its 28000 annually.. cause it goes by annual income then their are deductions disability and children lets say this person has a disability and 5 children they are entitled to a 400 disability deduction and 300 per child yearly under the age of 18 from their annual income. 28000-400-1500=26100… 26100÷12= 2175×.30= 652.50 is the amount of rent the tenant would pay out of the 2100… the person can afford a house or apartment for 2100 and only have to pay their portion while section 8 pays the rest directly to the landlord… FACTS

                                      1. WOW!!!!!
                                        The “COVID RESTRICTIONS” should also mandate that, banks or whoever, CANNOT SEIZE PROPERTIES FROM LANDLORDS DUE TO TENANTS NOT BEING ABLE TO PAY RENT FOR THE DURATION OF THE PANDEMIC, DISASTER, ETC….
                                        If the State/Government can bring in and give away Trillions of dollars in freaking lottery winnings/tickets, then why can’t this kind of thing be waived?
                                        Then the song says:

                                        “I’m proud to be an American where at least I know I’m free. And I can’t forget the men who DIED TO GIVE THAT RIGHT TO ME. And I’ll “proudly” stand up next to you and defend you still today. And there ain’t no doubt I live this land, God bless the USA”….

                                        “Pledge Of Allegiance”
                                        “Star Spangled Banner”
                                        These are suppose to stand for something and protect AMERICANS.
                                        This country has become lost, corrupted and money hungry. Greedy, unfair, heartless, mindless, unsympathetic, evil, careless Government, Local, State, Country leaders.
                                        MAKE THAT RULE ILLEGAL AND PUNISHABLE BY JAIL AND FINE AS WELL AS PROPERTY SEIZURE….

                                        1. Usa has always been that way, every since this land has gotten STOLEN from the NATIVE AMERICANS!! NOBODY IS “FREE”! TAKE A LONG HARD LOOK AT THIS COUNTRY.. ONLY THE SENSIBLE CAN SEE IT. CREDIT CARDS, BANKS, SS #’s ,TAXES ETC.. are all placed there for specific agendas. TO MAKE OR BREAK WHOMEVER THEY WANT AND MUCH MUCH MORE!

                                          1. Concerned community member

                                            That would be the ideal way for calculation, but I have seen too many landlords unwilling to accept combined amounts.

                                            I understand that landlord stands to lose too if tenants don’t pay. I’ve seen property management companies downsize during the pandemic because they are receiving less rent money. In turn, people are laid off, and now they are in a position of uncertainty in which they are unable to afford their rent or fall behind on payments. Then their landlord can’t afford the property and it just keeps cycling. We should support both sides. Evictions shouldn’t be an awful process for the landlord either because when it happens, they become less and less likely to consider being generous. We need to look at how we can all support each other to quality of life and in turn, I do believe, less people would become of homeless or reduce the worry of every becoming homeless. My idea although needs to be polished is if someone is at risk of not paying their rent on time, then the tenant should get connected to program to review their situation. Sometimes things happen but our lack of knowledge causes us to follow the wrong decisions and fall into debt. Both tenant and landlord should have access to the program information. The program should be mandatory and that way the tenant has the opportunity to correct/resolve the problem while providing grace/assistance to landlord to ensure they get what is owed and are entitled to. It should go to court when tenant is unwilling to participate to correct their ways or don’t care to get out of their situation, then yes, at that point eviction would be the appropriate action.

                                            (Something like 3 month program **program must be flexible too to allow for late hours** versus 9 months of trying to evict someone who probably won’t learn any time soon how to get back on their feet) Why are tenants only eligible for rental assistance AFTER being served notice to quit or evict? I also am starting to think I should make the effort to become a landlord and see if it possible to be “generous”. Then I can offer more background if it is because landlords are “greedy” or because there is a gap in need on both sides?

                                        2. That’s insane! How can people afford to live on their own with expectations like this? Especially during a pandemic when so many people have been laid off. No wonder there are so many millennials (like myself) that still live with their parents or have roommates. It’s only going to get worse!

                                          1. And no one thinks about the landlord, they have to feed their families and pay mortgage. Banks don’t give grace period or freebies. Life isn’t fair. I have never seen a tenant ever go back after they’ve gotten back on their feet and payback the landlord for miss rent or damages, even if there was a judgement.

                                            1. It’s people like you that sceew over good people that can afford to pay rent and not make 3 times their rent. Do you make 3 times your rent? I wonder how many landlords do make 3 times their rent. Very unfair rule..give honest working people a chance to live in a good area and be happy!
                                              My app was not approved after I was told that if I didnt make 65k to pay a 1500 rent I needed to show 5k in the bank. He was a fucking liar. I proved I had much more than that and he still told me sorry even with my W2 and social security. What do they want from people????

                                            2. This 3x rule us so ridiculous, there needs to be something put in place, to change this rule. Earning 3x times tge rent is often times unrealistic. I can understand 2xs but 3… that’s crazy. So where are people supposed to live , this is why we have such a homeless issue in America. If a person earns. $2500 a month (which is more than mine wage)and is trying to rent an apartment that’s $900.00 , which is not a high scale apt , They won’t qualify! Where are people suppose to live .. on the street or in the slum? Why should people have to live in crack infested neighborhoods because they don’t earn $3000 a month!! Increase wages in this country or change this Ridiculous Rule!!!!!

                                              1. This 3x rule is so ridiculous, there needs to be something put in place, to change this rule. Earning 3x times the rent is often times unrealistic. I can understand 2xs but 3… that’s crazy. So where are people supposed to live , this is why we have such a homeless issue in America. If a person earns. $2500 a month (which is more than mine wage)and is trying to rent an apartment that’s $900.00 , which is not a high scale apt , They won’t qualify! Where are people suppose to live .. on the street or in the slum? Why should people have to live in crack infested neighborhoods because they don’t earn $3000 a month!! Increase wages in this country or change this Ridiculous Rule!!!!!

                                              2. I am just under the 3x required amount of a hud based apartment how or why they ask for 3x in a hud housing apartment seems odd I’m selling a condo I own I’m on ssa under3x rent but have contract for buyers will walk away with 40k that would cover $835 per mo for 4 years have proof of this turned in plus a real estate agent with proof and still they demand 3x income how does that make sence selling because limited income to fix anything that could break down in condo plus we are 60 and 70 yrs old hard times for many a lot younger then us without 40 k and still being turned down HELP explain this insanity please

                                              3. Winter, the people who matter, and CAN stop this, DON’T GIVE A S#@&T.
                                                We’re all in this worldwide pandemic together and, should have some type of consideration for those who have been financially affected. Leadership ACROSS THE BOARD, IN ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT EVEN PRESIDENTIAL, HAS NO CONCERN FOR THIS STUPID, HEARTLESS “RULE”.
                                                It needs to be stomped out and NOW!!!!!!!

                                              4. Yes we do . Why don’t you send a letter to one of our officials and see what his/her response is. Or send a letter to Channel 7, I Witness News and see if they air the concern of the people. I am retired with what I thought was a decent income, but rent is so high, I can’t afford to move. Because someone makes 3 times the rent is NOT a guarantee that he/she will always pay rent or even on time. The amount of money you make does not justify or confirm your character.

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                                            6. I think it’s unethical. I have been looking for an apartment I can afford. I’ve found a few but because I don’t make 2 to 3 times the rent I don’t qualify. Even the all bills paid apartments. I am currently living in an Assisted Living Facility and the state makes them take all of my $707– monthly income. I am also an amputee. I will have help from caregivers and once I get an apartment I can get on food stamps which I think counts as income.

                                            7. this is so stupid, its based off opinion. I work and make enough for rent and if I get a roommate its to make the payments easier, but that part of 40x or 50x times the rent is sooo stupid, all because its a stupid feeling the landlord gets, either way both parties or only one doesn’t have to pay rent or they can up and both lose there jobs or worst. I tried to get a apartment for $2300 and I alone make 2300 and change a month before takes and not doing over time, combining my income with my roommate I am super able and easy to get a apartment, I was denied because and her didn’t make enough combined cause we need to make $88,000 a year when I alone can pay the rent by myself, like If I am making $88,000 or $90,000 I AM BUYING A HOUSE!!!!!! why would I even bother to get a apartment. the United States NEEDS TO CHECK THESE APARTMENTS RULES cause it doest make no sense

                                            8. Soon to be homeless working full time

                                              These excuses about section 8 are just garbage. Greedy landlords get the world’s smallest violin treatment. I see so many living on the streets now because in my area even the dumpiest rathole is 1100/mo. There ARE no cheaper areas here. I work full time and can’t afford to live. Our country is a wreck and no longer cares about the common man or woman. Greed greed greed. I look forward to the collapse. It’s not far off now.

                                            9. Who writes these articles? This issue is presented as if tenants are being irresponsible by not having THREE times the rent in income. This is obviously an affordable housing issue, not an irresponsible tenants issue. The author talks down to renters as if renters were stupid, advising them to consider the issue from landlords’ perspective. Clearly, landlords are business people and want to earn as much money as possible. But housing is a survival requirement. Therefore, the government which represents the people has a responsibility to make sure there is enough affordable housing GIVEN PEOPLE’S ACTUAL SALARIES. Landlords want more money so raise rents. Business owners want more money so pay low salaries. Everyone is benefitting except the workers/renters struggling to survive. Fix the d@mn UNaffordable housing crisis instead of offering inane, vacuous excuses for why things continue to get worse.

                                              1. One thing I forgot to point out is that the government came up with the 3X income rule TO PROTECT RENTERS by giving a guideline of how much renters should be earning to be able to safely afford living space. But this guideline is now being used as a weapon against renters who can’t control corporations’ employee compensation (thanks in part to the relentless attrition of US labor unions), thus locking many renters into poverty and even homelessness. Look up the GROWTH of the full-time employed but homeless in the US. In the absence of affordable housing–and report after government report shows there is NOT A SINGLE US JURISDICTION with remotely adequate affordable housing given local salaries–its unethical to close out workers from housing. The US doesn’t want to raise minimum wage. It doesn’t want to decrease rental costs. And it doesn’t want to offer adequate solutions to address homelessness (growing since the pandemic) or historic housing insecurity. But if you’re a business owner (US businesses are making record profits) or landlord, it’s all good.

                                                What happened to government FOR THE PEOPLE? We’ve become government for the well-resourced.

                                            10. Hello can a landlord refuse to rent to you if you work 2 part time jobs and can still meet 3 times your rent. I was told I had to make 3 times my rent from one job. I don’t understand this.

                                            11. Mad as hell Renter

                                              That’s absolute bullshit this is a clear and cut case of systemic racism you’re trying to rule black and brown people out of their places no one is fooled. If I made 3 times a rent I would be making more than the people that work there and I would buy a home

                                            12. I worked for more that 30 years before having to go on disability, and after divorcing my husband of 17 years (with receiving no support from him) I returned home to live with my elderly mother since I was unable to afford housing. Now 8 years later I’m having to find a place to live since my mother is having to go live in a Memory Care Facility. Every apartment I have looked at that is semi affordable requires that I make 3x the rent. I have no debt, and have budgeted my income to where I could afford to pay up to a certain amount for rent, but these apartment complexes just look at my income and say NO. I have been trying for the past 3 years to get on some sort of assistance but where I live the Voucher program has been Closed and it is not known when it will open back up for ppl to apply for the Wait List. This “rule” that Landlords are using set back in 1938 NEEDS to seriously looked at. It is Time that the “SILENT POOR” Spoke Up and demanded that not only we get help with better housing, more housing but assistance with the way the Landlords apply this “rule” – it is time the “rule” was changed.

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                                            15. Rents are higher
                                              Every single year.hud is a good program
                                              But so many.apts complexs are to full.not emough units available
                                              For everyone
                                              Hud.imits units.they have
                                              Available
                                              & not nearly enough
                                              Ate readlly available
                                              List are.closed
                                              On getting.apts
                                              On hud._ u gotta wait
                                              Over a year.to get those apts.so
                                              Are u
                                              Suppose
                                              To be homeless while u wait.& family & friends.cant allways assit.us on our houseing needs.we dont.have hotels.money
                                              So were are we to go.to live
                                              More homelessess
                                              Being om
                                              One monthy check hotels remts
                                              Over 1.000 a month to stay.& most
                                              Only 700.00 up to
                                              Possible 1000 a month maybe
                                              Checks.arent enough
                                              To pay
                                              For a motel
                                              .so
                                              While u cant.pay your.apts rents.u also cant
                                              Get a hotel room to remt
                                              U dont got.enough money.which.no one.has a heart.to care.if u have.enough money.to make it or not.covid came
                                              Id felt.landlords.would
                                              Give us
                                              A slight break.& lower the rents montly
                                              No.it went up higher
                                              Id felt.that.was so un fair
                                              No affordable rents
                                              No more.we are.about.to pay
                                              690.00 per month
                                              Plus.the lights.,& water & trash.yes.we will stuggle
                                              But its 2 of to pay that together
                                              I fear
                                              The future.cause
                                              If anything.were to happen
                                              To.my hinby
                                              id be put out.cause.I dont
                                              Earn.2x & 3x gross.money
                                              Wow right.?.homeless
                                              Id be
                                              Over petty
                                              Rules
                                              It makes
                                              No sence to me.why

                                              Insist
                                              I make
                                              2x _ 3x gross.om retirement benefits.
                                              .

                                            16. Hud apts.are a great
                                              Idea.but.units.apts have.closed waiting list
                                              Its.15 momths to.2 or 3 years.om some hud apts.also.be very careful which apts u do pick.not all hud .places are.good
                                              Or decent units.u must.complely check every place.u womt.out first. If this means.u get friends
                                              & family
                                              To see
                                              What those apts are all about first.u will be.surprised.what folks
                                              Will tell u.on certain apts
                                              Just go by
                                              The apts
                                              Were u are.thinking to remt
                                              Ask someome
                                              Who lives there
                                              What those apts
                                              Are really like
                                              Livimg there
                                              .its likey.someone.will talk to u.& tell u information u need to know

                                              Also
                                              Swing by those apts
                                              A.nd take
                                              A walk.aroumd

                                            17. I hear and agree! correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe the section 8 program means subsidized, or the fed govt fills up what you can’t pay.
                                              Say you can earn only $300; the landlord agrees to take only $100 and his building is approved by the gov’t that it’s up to their codes of quality. As long as your very low income qualifies you, the gov’t will help pay your rent, making up the difference between what you can pay, 1/3 income, and what the landlord would regularly charge. Thus the term “subsidized housing.” Rent is more than a third of what you bring home, Uncle Sam pays the rest.

                                            18. You said it. If apartments are 1600 in Massachusetts who makes over 4800 a month. Not me and i make 19 an hour

                                            19. Ok. I was able to get an apartment because I had zero income. Now I do service here on the property where I am receiving sec 8 housing. Now property managers saying I make too much to live out here while providing my service
                                              my dollar raise and my 40 hours a week that our management company hired me as is costing me now. I regret taking this job, working to survive working to pay rent I’m stressed and my rent is 406.00 and I have to pay my own light bill which is 2 to 300.00 and is it right or wrong working to pay rent to maintain grounds and for getting apartments ready for families and the homeless

                                            20. They’re even doing this with room rentals too and it’s not even worth it. Why would i want to pay almost $3,000 to live in your nasty basement? If I had that much money lying around i would be able to afford a better apartment or even put money down on a house/new car.

                                            21. I live in Winter Garden Florida and I have been homeless for 8 months My landlord evicted us during Covid not for not paying rent, in relation, harassing us can’t find a place to stay. either there to high for me and my boyfrienare who’s on disability. when they tell you 3 times the rent there just telling us we dont want to rent to you and can’t live here anymore took the low income Apartments and made them luxury Apartments that’s the reason we have a lot of homeless people in the town they have no wear to go

                                            22. I just don’t understand the knee over three times the rent if you receive Section 8 already and it shows that you can pay because they cover mostly of it what’s the problem and I’m a clean person I don’t give nobody no problem

                                            23. This is not logic. This is abuse. Landlords have little to worry about. At the end of the day they still have their property and income. Forcing tenants to find guarantors, co-signers, pay for background checks and realtors is too much for most people, to say nothing of this horrendous rule. It creates a system where all properties are treated as luxury properties. I’ve seen absolute rat holes, dilapidated, neglected, in remote areas and filled with drug addicts but they still have the luxury of invoking the 3-Times rule. Meanwhile people who have no criminal history, no history of substance abuse, and no history of sexual crimes are denied simply because they also have no credit. It isn’t logic. It’s abuse. It’s greed. So many people are treated as criminals simply because they lack a SCORE. It doesn’t matter if they’re not liabilities, they are treated as such anyway. This is an outdated system that allows landlords to pick and choose based not on fact but on whim. The criteria is too stringent. It needs to change. People are already dying in the streets. Tenants need more rights, more protections, not just anti-discrimination rules that are already far too easy for landlords to sidestep. If the landlords are being given unfair advantages then there need to be agents who uphold and represent the rights of tenants, with reasonable costs involved. Don’t allow yourselves to accept this as “logical.” It’s like saying “I shot a man in the head because he had the potential to shoot me in the head. I did the logical thing.” Technicalities don’t save people from dying in the streets.

                                            24. Fact check…. This information is inaccurate if a person made 2.5 times the rent or more they most likely wouldn’t need section 8. Section 8 doesn’t mean you have to make double or triple the rent. Section 8 of the Housing Act of 1937 (42 U.S.C. § 1437f), often called Section 8, as repeatedly amended, authorizes the payment of rental housing assistance on behalf of low-income households in the United States.

                                            25. It’s insane, especially since the average rent for an apartment is $1500-$2000 for a 2 bedroom apartment and $1200-$1500 for a one bedroom!! If I had 3 times that amount, $4500 – $6000 each month, I certainly would not be trying to rent a shitty apartment or townhome. I’d be owning my own home! I would have to be making at least $32 an hour. It has taken me 8 years to make $21 working for the State of Minnesota. Then you factor in taxes and healthcare… THEN the cost of living. To get a 30 cent raise every year when gas and rent goes up at a rate 100 times that… it’s crazy.

                                            26. 2 times is sufficient, we need to change homelessness poicies. I work for a school district and I don’t make 3 times, I do make 2 times. Who is the policy to change this? NO MORE RED LINING ITs against the law.

                                            27. First. The three times rule has nothing to do with Section 8 and doesn’t even MAKE SENSE.

                                              Reality. As a landlord I have to pay mortgage, condo dues, taxes, and insurance. Plus fix anything that needs repair. I cannot afford for my tenants to NOT make three times income. My cheapest apartment is $1100. (And it could get $1300, I’m trying to be affordable.) It’s very nice, right on the river path, granite, SS, laundry in unit. Water, sewer, trash are included in rent. Say you make $3300 before taxes. After taxes, even if you have NO deductions for health care or savings, that’s about $2700. Pay the rent, that leaves $1600. Groceries for one person averages about $350. Utilities on this property, including electric, gas, and Internet, (no cable), average about $200. Now we are at $1050. With that $1050, you have to pay car payment, insurance on the car and the property in your apartment. Gas, tolls, upkeep on the car. Your cell phone plan. Entertainment. Dining Out. Clothing. Charity if you do that. Furnishings. Gifts. Gym. Health insurance premiums, copays, and whatever your insurance does not cover. This stuff adds up to $1050 in a HEARTBEAT for most folks. My tenants usually have a $500 or more car payment alone. Some of you think I should lower the rent some more. My mortgage, condo dues, insurance, and taxes are $850. My profit is $250. But if any appliance needs replaced, I have to pay for that. Sometimes I am not collecting rent between tenants. At the end of the year I just about break even, or make maybe $1000. Not even $10 an hour for my time put in. Only the tax breaks make land lording worth it. Just some perspective for the other side. If for some reason your costs are much lower, find a private landlord like me and explain it to them. They MIGHT make an exception. But three times rent is not unreasonable. When I was a renter it was 4 times rent required.

                                            28. Currently Homeless

                                              This is just ridiculous. I lived in my own home for over 20 years. Due to divorce, my ex got the house because after over 2 years and $50,000 in legal fees I couldn’t fight any longer to remain. A 2 bedroom apartment at $2200/month means I must have an income of at least $6600. WHAT?? That equals about $40/hr at 40 hrs/week! If I made that kind of money I wouldn’t be wanting to live in a crappy apartment! Plus that rental amount is more than what my mortgage was (which included taxes & insurance).

                                            29. Currently Homeless

                                              It has absolutely nothing to do with Section 8, low income, or anything else. The entire issue is due to the Pandemic and not being able to evict tenants who didn’t pay, plain and simple. None of this madness existed prior to that. So now it has rendered the rest of us unable to attain suitable housing when we don’t qualify for any kind of public assistance because we actually earn more than the state allows and are American citizens.

                                              1. It’s not right what if it’s a single parent they don’t consider that and if section 8 or the tenants pay 30% why are they not giving working individuals the same options

                                              2. Yes, none of this bullshit existed prior to this pandemic, now they’re implementing this stupidity that will result in entire families being HOMELESS! I’M MAD AS HELL! BIDEN AND Harris need to do something ASAP! A PETITION AGAINST THIS IS NEEDED NOW!

                                            30. I really feel this article does a poor job of describing why there is a recommendation for 3x income. I’m a social worker and a landlord. We studied this exact thing in my social work classes in college. I can’t remember if it was closer to the 1937 time frame, or around Johnson’s great society, but they started doing more research on breakdown of expenses for families. What they found that was ON AVERAGE people were paying around 30% of their income for housing. When costs of housing increased past this, it was much more difficult for people to make ends meet. Back when the research was being done, food costs were higher, and were a much higher percentage of people’s budgets. Policy makers debate weather 30% is still the best recommended amount to go to housing for a healthy budget. The decision to have people on Section 8 pay 30% of their monthly income towards rent is based on scientific social and economic research. It is not arbitrary. If you would like to get on on the conversation there are productive paths to debate this, where you can be well informed and take all these aspects into consideration.

                                              1. Having an income of three times the monthly rent is discrimination against lower-income people. I have been on Social Security Disability since 2004. In the last few years that I lived at my last apartment, I was able to pay my rent in full and within the five-day grace of the due date. Even though my rent was due on the first of the month, my SSDI didn’t come until the third. Therefore, I mailed out a check for the full amount on the third.

                                                I don’t think that landlords should discriminate against lower-income. If you can afford to pay the rent, regardless of your income, then go look for your apartment. It’s as simple as that.

                                                Thank you.

                                              2. I rented in Los Angeles for more than a decade and never once encountered this. Now I’m in the Capital Cow Town of Sacramento and every single listing in this (overpriced) dump says that. Some say 3.5 times, and they want your last three tax returns as if I’m buying a house. This practice should be illegal.

                                              3. It’s not right what if it’s a single parent they don’t consider that and if section 8 or the tenants pay 30% why are they not giving working individuals the same options

                                              4. Amanda Denise Headley

                                                I don’t understand how Section 8, a government-subsidized housing program which requires their recipients to pay only 30% of their income to regulate the “3 times the rent” rule? What do they have to do with it, can anyone explain? By the way, I’m looking to do something about this injustice.

                                                -Amanda H.

                                              5. If people made 3x the rent amount why would anyone rent they would be buying a house. No wonder why the homeless rate is so high , I have paid my rent on time even through the Covid 19 . Now I’m having to get a new house due to landlord needing house back and I can’t get into anything been living in a hotel with my kids the last month . Are system is broken and not there to help and landlord have now got the upper hand since covid because they know people need to find places so they jack the rents sky high and ask for amounts that are truly inconceivable.

                                              6. Has anyone heard of owner selling property with 30 day move out notice to a tenant who lived there for 8 years? Raised the rent $500. Now displaced short 200$ x3 required. I asked about a co-signer with over $100,000 in the. Was told co signer must earn 3x monthly rent. WTF. Where’s the petition?

                                              7. in new york, its even worse from what i’ve seen. landlords asking for 40x the rent as if folks who work minimum wage jobs can afford that. there are so many places with low ass minimum wage that expect people to make 3x (or more) of the rent and it just does not make sense. then when these people get on section 8, they get crucified by the public (and the landlords) for asking for help. its really dumb and the cost of living is going up but the pay not reflecting that.

                                              8. I rarely ever “qualified” for assistance programs as a single female. I applied when I was told I could qualify, then denied based on the fact that I can earn more so, therefore, need to try harder. No kids? No help. They prioritize single parents taking care of kids who
                                                “cannot” work. Being a college student living within 1 mile of a college cannot be a full-time student at the nearest apartment complex because they are not student housing. I, therefore, need to work two part-time jobs and go to school part-time in order to afford rent in a town where rent for 1 bedroom starts at $1100 but I make $1100 a month before taxes. Yet, I still do not qualify for assistance.

                                              9. I’m a single female with fare credit and no evictions and I need help with section 8 I plan to go to city hall and protest for affordable housing any suggestions would be greatly appreciated thanks in advance

                                              10. I’m going through the same thing, but section Eight is not Doing anything to help with Our Problem, all they do is tell you to Call a Lawyer, that’s not Right, and they are too busy to want to help, mean while I’m Homeless! 🤨

                                              11. i have a great job. i’m looking to move out of state. however due to this 3x the rent….i don’t make that type of money in one month my roommate and i together barely would make that type of money for the type of apartments that we’re looking at. if i had the amount of money that they are asking for (3x the rent) i could not only afford to purchase a house but a new car every other year…wth? the only thing they are doing is hurting themselves by raising the rent extremely high and then their ridiculous demands on top of how high rent is.

                                              12. Everyone is missing the factual, real life reasons of why you need 3x rent. I have looked into rentals in various cities and states. The problem is online the rent is usually only the space or rooms of the apartment. Nobody seems to realize when you add utilities, Wifi, electric, water, etc, which are NOT included in this rent, you do indeed need to make at least 2x if not 3x the rent. Because the monthly rental figure doesn’t reflect your true monthly rent. What should be happening is that rental companies/landlords be more honest. If they don’t include utilities, don’t tell us that our rent is only $1,000 per month, because it’s certainly going to be a lot more than that.

                                              13. Christina Hofmeister

                                                I have been looking for an apartment for 4 years. 4 to 5 nights a week I look for apartments all over the United States for me & my pitbull. I am disabled on SSDI $1,353 a month. I cannot qualify for the 3x income rule. Last night I saw some landlords now require 4x! Although I qualify for section 8 there is not any vouchers in Philly for years now. Subsidized housing has no availability for 10 to 15 years. Even the so called Low income housing rentals discriminate against the very low income. They have a maximum income & minimum income. I do not fit in that cookie cutter. I hate this “Breed restriction” BS too, all dogs have the potential to be aggressive. They say “Pet Friendly” but have 20lb weight limits & restrict dogs who have excellent behavior histories. Then it is endless fees, $500 non-refundable pet fee, $250 pet deposit, $50 pet rent, $175 administrative fee, $60 application fee, & then some say all of that & then say a one time $250 fee. + 1st, last, & deposit, some will say $800 a month + $150 utilities. & let me tell you these $800 to $900 look like hell! I’ve also learned that there is 62+ housing, 55+ housing, a ton of student housing that is beautiful construction with free perks, military housing, refugee/immigrant housing, workforce housing, homeless housing, veteran housing, LGBTQ housing, there’s no vouchers UNLESS ofcourse you have a child or are pregnant & they pull that voucher out the air, low income housing but not very low income housing, camper vans are between $50k and $150k, tiny houses are app. $95k then you need to buy land to put it on, pay for transportation & hookups & you are looking at $175k, campground fees that are as much as rent if had the money to buy a tiny trailer. I have tried everything! & I am tired!! I have paid rent all my life. Now I am 53 years old & disabled & have no where to go despite having a lifetime history of paying my rent. Oh & have you seen these stories on the news how landlords are giving annual renewal increases from $200-$2,000 a month, & people are having to leave & become homeless, + there is limited to no availability everywhere with natural disasters like wildfires & floods destroying housing. I don’t know what to do. I cannot even apply for a voucher to get on the 15 year waitlist. This is just disgusting!

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